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		By: Andrew Graham		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1679</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2023 08:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1135&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;.

Short Comings of Christadelphianism

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1135">Adam</a>.</p>
<p>Short Comings of Christadelphianism</p>
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		By: rey johnson		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1619</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2023 02:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Granville Sharp rule denies the Trinity in actuality.  And this is what you should tell any so-called Trinitarian who brings it up.

That is, they take a passage that dpeaks of two persons, Father and Son, and turn it into a Oneness Pentecostal paraphrase  of a One Person God.

&quot;God is one person: Jesus Christ&quot; is the Oneness credo. 
And using the Granville Sharp and Tricky Modalist rule they turn two-person passages into one-person passages!  

That Granville was indeed one SHARP Modalist.  He tricked Trinitarians into throwing away the KJV to re-&quot;translate&quot; their Bibles into teaching MODALISM.

From &quot;the appearing of the Great God (The Father) and of our Savior Jesus Christ (the Son)&quot;

they turn it into

&quot;the appearing of the Great (One Person) God our Savior Jesus Christ&quot;


So all Trinitarians defending the Granville Sharp rule have DENIED THE TRINITY and become outright ONENESS Pentecostals.

And thus you should say to them from henceforth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Granville Sharp rule denies the Trinity in actuality.  And this is what you should tell any so-called Trinitarian who brings it up.</p>
<p>That is, they take a passage that dpeaks of two persons, Father and Son, and turn it into a Oneness Pentecostal paraphrase  of a One Person God.</p>
<p>&#8220;God is one person: Jesus Christ&#8221; is the Oneness credo.<br />
And using the Granville Sharp and Tricky Modalist rule they turn two-person passages into one-person passages!  </p>
<p>That Granville was indeed one SHARP Modalist.  He tricked Trinitarians into throwing away the KJV to re-&#8220;translate&#8221; their Bibles into teaching MODALISM.</p>
<p>From &#8220;the appearing of the Great God (The Father) and of our Savior Jesus Christ (the Son)&#8221;</p>
<p>they turn it into</p>
<p>&#8220;the appearing of the Great (One Person) God our Savior Jesus Christ&#8221;</p>
<p>So all Trinitarians defending the Granville Sharp rule have DENIED THE TRINITY and become outright ONENESS Pentecostals.</p>
<p>And thus you should say to them from henceforth.</p>
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		By: dave jacobs		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1618</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My take: Only someone eho never studied Greek can buy the rule as legitimate.  For one, just reading you will find plenty of cases that disprove it, so many that I can&#039;t remember any and don&#039;t need to as every other page will be one.  For two, nothing is more likely in transmission of a text than for an article to appear or disappear (as a glance at the apparatus in a crirical text will quickly confirm), thus making a gigantic doctrinal issue hinge on the presence or absense of an article is plain stupid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take: Only someone eho never studied Greek can buy the rule as legitimate.  For one, just reading you will find plenty of cases that disprove it, so many that I can&#8217;t remember any and don&#8217;t need to as every other page will be one.  For two, nothing is more likely in transmission of a text than for an article to appear or disappear (as a glance at the apparatus in a crirical text will quickly confirm), thus making a gigantic doctrinal issue hinge on the presence or absense of an article is plain stupid.</p>
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		By: admin		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1137</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2022 22:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1136&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi brother Adam,

My conclusion is based on how I understand the Bible. 

If Jesus pre-existed, he would not have pre-existed as a human being. Human beings don’t pre-exist as humans . If Jesus pre-existed, the only way he was fully human, was to not have any memory or connection to a former existence. God would have changed him from one life form to another at conception. This would require a miracle.

Jesus is the only human being born of a virgin. This was a miracle by God. So God may have changed him from one life form to another at conception. 

I don’t think the Bible places great significance on the preexistent of Jesus. Out of the four Gospels, only John mentions it. The Bible places greater emphasis on other aspects such as his humanity.

I don’t have a problem with Christians who disagree based on their interpretation of the word of God. While believers should keep an open mind, we should not compromise what we believe the Bible teaches. 

Here are verses that I understand to teach that Jesus preexisted in some form before taking on human flesh: Proverbs 8:22-26 (The Septuagint says for verse 22, “The Lord created me as the beginning of his ways for his works;” The Lexham English Septuagint, Lexham Press, 2012); Micah 5:2; John 1:1, 3, 10, 15, 18, 30, 3:13, 31, 6:38, 42, 46, 6:62, 7:29, 8:38, 42, 58, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28, 17:5; 2 Corinthians 8:9; Ephesians 4:9, Philippians 2:5-8; Hebrews 1:2. Colossians 1:16-17; 1 Timothy 2:5, and Jude 5.

In Christ!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1136">Adam</a>.</p>
<p>Hi brother Adam,</p>
<p>My conclusion is based on how I understand the Bible. </p>
<p>If Jesus pre-existed, he would not have pre-existed as a human being. Human beings don’t pre-exist as humans . If Jesus pre-existed, the only way he was fully human, was to not have any memory or connection to a former existence. God would have changed him from one life form to another at conception. This would require a miracle.</p>
<p>Jesus is the only human being born of a virgin. This was a miracle by God. So God may have changed him from one life form to another at conception. </p>
<p>I don’t think the Bible places great significance on the preexistent of Jesus. Out of the four Gospels, only John mentions it. The Bible places greater emphasis on other aspects such as his humanity.</p>
<p>I don’t have a problem with Christians who disagree based on their interpretation of the word of God. While believers should keep an open mind, we should not compromise what we believe the Bible teaches. </p>
<p>Here are verses that I understand to teach that Jesus preexisted in some form before taking on human flesh: Proverbs 8:22-26 (The Septuagint says for verse 22, “The Lord created me as the beginning of his ways for his works;” The Lexham English Septuagint, Lexham Press, 2012); Micah 5:2; John 1:1, 3, 10, 15, 18, 30, 3:13, 31, 6:38, 42, 46, 6:62, 7:29, 8:38, 42, 58, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28, 17:5; 2 Corinthians 8:9; Ephesians 4:9, Philippians 2:5-8; Hebrews 1:2. Colossians 1:16-17; 1 Timothy 2:5, and Jude 5.</p>
<p>In Christ!</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1136</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello. Thank you for publishing this work. It is helpful to me. Full disclosure, I’m a baptised Christadelphian. 
I’m curious, that in one of your comments you said you believe in the pre-existence of Christ. Can you briefly explain what you mean and the biblical proofs for this. 
I’m always interested in honing my understanding of such arguments. 
Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Thank you for publishing this work. It is helpful to me. Full disclosure, I’m a baptised Christadelphian.<br />
I’m curious, that in one of your comments you said you believe in the pre-existence of Christ. Can you briefly explain what you mean and the biblical proofs for this.<br />
I’m always interested in honing my understanding of such arguments.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1135</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-969&quot;&gt;Andrew Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi. What short comings did you think the christadelphians had?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-969">Andrew Graham</a>.</p>
<p>Hi. What short comings did you think the christadelphians had?</p>
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		By: PERCIVAL TANIERLA		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1100</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2021 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MAN-MADE RULES CANNOT BE APPLIED TO DIVINE SCRIPTURES. THE PHARISEES AND SCRIBES MADE THE WORD OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY THEIR MAN- MADE RULES.

MARK 7:7, 13
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
13making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAN-MADE RULES CANNOT BE APPLIED TO DIVINE SCRIPTURES. THE PHARISEES AND SCRIBES MADE THE WORD OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY THEIR MAN- MADE RULES.</p>
<p>MARK 7:7, 13<br />
And in vain they worship Me,<br />
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’<br />
13making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”</p>
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		By: admin		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1071</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 02:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1068&quot;&gt;Ray Morris&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Ray,
To my knowledge, no credible secular scholar or secular publication applies Granville Sharp’s original rules or the refinement of the first rule made by Dr. Wallace to secular writings of classical or Koine Greek. These rules never existed back then. After all, Granville Sharp admitted making these rules to make Jesus God in select Bible verses that he believed were mistranslated in the King James Version. 

Because the rule is illegitimate, there are no verses it applies to. 

Keep the faith!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1068">Ray Morris</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Ray,<br />
To my knowledge, no credible secular scholar or secular publication applies Granville Sharp’s original rules or the refinement of the first rule made by Dr. Wallace to secular writings of classical or Koine Greek. These rules never existed back then. After all, Granville Sharp admitted making these rules to make Jesus God in select Bible verses that he believed were mistranslated in the King James Version. </p>
<p>Because the rule is illegitimate, there are no verses it applies to. </p>
<p>Keep the faith!</p>
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		By: admin		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1069</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 02:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1050&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

While I mentioned that Dr. Porter criticized the scholarship of Dr. Wallace, this was not the focus of the video. What about all the evidence presented in the video?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1050">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>While I mentioned that Dr. Porter criticized the scholarship of Dr. Wallace, this was not the focus of the video. What about all the evidence presented in the video?</p>
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		By: Ray Morris		</title>
		<link>https://historicalfaith.org/the-granville-sharp-rule-exposed/#comment-1068</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Darrel
I&#039;m one the thinks Granville Sharp Rule is nonsense.. I still have two questions I am seeking further info on... Do the other &quot;profane&quot; non-scripture, secular and even classical Greek writings apply Granville Sharp&#039;s Rule? , and; Are there any scriptures that &quot;look&quot; as though the ought follow Granville Sharps Rule but obviously can&#039;t? 

Thanks so much!

Ray]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Darrel<br />
I&#8217;m one the thinks Granville Sharp Rule is nonsense.. I still have two questions I am seeking further info on&#8230; Do the other &#8220;profane&#8221; non-scripture, secular and even classical Greek writings apply Granville Sharp&#8217;s Rule? , and; Are there any scriptures that &#8220;look&#8221; as though the ought follow Granville Sharps Rule but obviously can&#8217;t? </p>
<p>Thanks so much!</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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