The One True God is the Father – His Name is Yahweh

From video of James White about his book “The Forgotten Trinity”
(White is probably the foremost Christian Trinity apologist)
(Video Part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYyIJS8foo
(Video Part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZtLYo4_b9E&t=2040s

White reveals that he authored the book in part because the majority of Christians, Pastors and even seminary professors can’t explain and defend the Trinity as a biblical doctrine. White literally said the response of “most evangelicals around the world” is to “act in a schizophrenic fashion” when confronted about the Trinity doctrine. White goes on to say, “we will split fellowship” with someone who “denies that divine truth.” Really Mr. White? Are you actually saying that the Trinity is a “divine truth” that “most evangelicals around the world” can’t begin to explain?

White reveals another truth never mentioned in public when he says, “Most western Christians are functionally monotheist but not truly trinitarian.” He says, “If you were to ask most of our seminary graduates, what is important about the doctrine of the Trinity as it relates to the gospel itself, many of them would struggle to come up with a decent sermon on a subject like that. And we see this confusion in just a Bible study in someone’s home; if you listen to people pray, you’ll hear trinitarian confusion in their prayers. So, we will divide over it (the Trinity), but how many sermons do you hear about it?”

White says people may say they love the Bible or the prophets, but almost never they “love the Trinity,” because “as soon as you say I love something it’s sort of expected that you might feel comfortable explaining why and what that [something] means.” White confesses that “Even a lot of our seminary grads would struggle, I think, in sermons and in preaching and teaching to differentiate, for example, between the father and the son in a meaningful fashion – what’s the relationship between the Father and the son? If I were to give a test on a Sunday morning in almost any large conservative Bible believing church, I am quite concerned that over a majority of the attendees would test out as modalists; as people who would not, in an orthodox fashion, be able to enunciate the relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”

Regarding the Trinity as a normal teaching, White says it is not the discussion of the day in education or in the Church. He continues saying that in the Christian Church today, “our focus is somewhere else.” White says, “the centrality of the doctrine is lost on a lot of folks.”

So why do you think this is the case regarding the Trinity?

The irony of the book’s title, “The Forgotten Trinity”, is that the Trinity was never really forgotten, it has just never been understood from the outset as a doctrine, or more to the point, just why and how it actually came to be a doctrine in the first place.

Also note that all of the questions the interviewer asks Mr. White are based mainly on some sort of “confusion” of the Christian masses regarding a clear and definable understanding and defense of the Trinity. My question is, if, as Mr. White explains, the Trinity is such an overwhelmingly important Christian doctrine that one’s salvation may depend on belief in it, why is there so much confusion defining and defending its biblical authenticity?

Beginning @19:20 of video:

Regarding the definition of the “substance” of God, White identifies the substance (nature) of God as one “what” and three “who’s”. “One what being the “being” of God and three who’s being the divine “persons” that make up the one “what.” Confused yet?

White explains, “So, God’s being is not chopped up into thirds… God’s being cannot be divided. But the who’s are those persons that are revealed to us in scripture that are distinguished from one another. But if we don’t recognize the difference between being and person – the being is what makes you “what” you are, the person is “who” you are – then we fall into all the traps that the various other religions and false religions that claim to be Christian but really are not.”

Notice White’s conflicting message? White says God, the “what,” can’t be “chopped up (divided) into thirds” but then goes on to say scripture “reveals” that God exists as three separate and “distinct” persons (the who’s). It sounds like White is contradicting himself in the span of just a few sentences. In the context of his quote, White is literally saying that God, the “what,” is in fact “chopped up” into three distinct persons, the “who’s” – but not really.

White confesses that when he is asked to speak on the Trinity, he asks the question “Where do you think the Trinity is revealed?” He says that “most people have not been asked that question.” He then goes on to share that when he was a teen at a very large mega-church, at a Bible study about the Trinity, he and his friends wondered “why do we believe in this doctrine”?

White admits the Trinity can’t possibly be fully understood by any means. He says, “We need to recognize we’re talking about an absolutely unique situation here. That’s why any analogy we’ve ever created for the Trinity will fail at some point. But any analogy we come up with we might be able to illustrate a portion of the truth, but because God is absolutely unique, any analogy, because analogy by nature is referring to created order, is going to fail.” (@19:20 of video)

So, we’re supposed to believe that the God of the Bible, by nature, can’t be perfectly identified by analogy or any other means, but can be easily identified in scripture by Mr. White? Yet it took almost 400 years to formulate the Trinity that Mr. White would have us believe is a salvational biblical doctrine; but the majority of Christians, including Bible scholars, pastors, and professors, can’t explain the Trinity well enough for anyone to clearly understand it because it’s so “unique” that there aren’t any “perfect” analogies to do so.

But wait, didn’t Yahshua used multiple analogies to illustrate the entire gospel message and more? And remember, Yahshua said that everything he said came from his father Yahweh. Some of his analogies are in the form of parables, but other times he just gives a straight-up analogies for not only who he is, but other important things such as the Kingdom of Heaven and hell, and specifically, how one can end up at either destination.

Yahshua said: “Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist!” And just what did John the Baptist say about Yahshua? He called Yahshua “The lamb OF God,” not “God THE lamb.” (John 1:29)

White – On the “being” of Yahshua (@47):

White’s explanation of Yahshua as a “God-man” results in total confusion regarding the nature of God’s being. That is, with the “incarnation” of the alleged eternal person Yahshua (God the son) as a “God-man,” the “triune” nature of God literally becomes part human. And there is absolutely no way of getting around this explanation of the “being” of Yahshua as a “God-man.” But White tries to explain this by using the term “hypostatic union,” a term created by trinitarians to explain the God-man concept of Yahshua. White states: “Jesus will always be the God-man. Now that did not bring about a change in the being of God, because remember the hypostatic union, if this had happened – if there had been a mixture of the divine and human that would have changed the very being of God. That’s why the hypostatic union is so important.” But White must admit that a “change” was brought about to the nature of God, which White admits happened at the incarnation when “God the Son” took on humanity as part of his being. And remember, White said “Jesus will always be the God-man.” So, it’s blatantly obvious the term hypostatic union, as defined by White, was created to explain the contradiction of their being three distinct and eternal “persons” in the nature of God – and specifically, why one of those persons is, literally by their definition, both fully God and fully man. The hypostatic union is described by one author as “worshipfully mind-stretching.” But described by me as an empty deception of words and philosophy/doctrine of man taught by false prophets that was warned would happen in scripture by Yahshua and other NT authors.

White describes the “incarnation” as “the only time God has invaded His creation.” Again, he explains the incarnation as a “hypostatic union” as being “where the two (God-man) natures remain distinct – there is no intermixture. It’s not the idea that you have a human and then a divine nature indwells this at a point in time and then leaves – something like that.”
But isn’t that’s exactly what happened when Yahweh sent His Holy Spirit upon Yahshua at his baptism. White also says, “There was a point in time where the logos (God the son – Yahshua) entered into enfleshment. But he (Yahshua) had not eternally existed in that way.” That’s a hard pill to swallow if you know that the Hebrew scripture clearly states that God cannot become flesh, nor have anything to do with flesh.

White says, “The truth about who Jesus is as the God-man is central to what we believe about how God has brought salvation about.” But with regard to any scriptural or logical arguments to the contrary, White says, “We can’t go there and that’s why we draw the line that we do.”
White admits that trinitarians won’t defend their doctrine by means of engaging in scriptural or logical debates, because he knows that both scripture and logic definitively prove that the Trinity doctrine is unscriptural, illogical, and completely indefensible.

One of the most revealing thing White says in this interview is, “We have to remember that all of these divine truths we are looking at, somebody at some point in time, has perverted them for their own purposes.” I agree 100 percent with that statement. Simply because history does in fact show the “point in time” between the apostolic age and the Trinity (Almost 300 years) when “somebody” did pervert the biblical truth of the monotheistic God, Yahweh, his son His only begotten son, Yahshua, and His Holy Spirit. In the gospel of Matthew Yahshua warned these kinds of things would happen. Yahshua identified these “somebodies” who would at some point in time, in his name, pervert his teachings for their own purposes; calling them false prophets who would deceive many teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.

White: On Unitarian belief – That Yahweh is the God of Israel:
(The Forgotten Trinity – Part 2)

White begins by saying he “feels sorry” for unitarians because they obviously don’t understand and believe his explanation of the Trinity and are so completely wrong about their concept of a monotheistic God and His only begotten son that they have a “shallow shell of Christianity”, and their salvation is also in question. He goes on to say unitarians do this “to their own destruction.” How sympathetic of Mr. White for anyone who believes differently than him. I find White’s observations quite ironic because he spends a lot of time during the two-hour interview explaining that most Christian Pastors and believers not only don’t understand the Trinity and/or specifically don’t believe the Trinity as defined by Mr. White himself. To that point, why doesn’t White feel sorry for those evangelical Christians who don’t seem to understand or believe his interpretation of the Trinity and why doesn’t he confess his doubts about their salvation as he does non-trinitarians?

White obviously believes that any Christian that doesn’t believe the Trinity exactly as he does is probably lost.

At 23:45 White says the triune God is sovereign over the church “as a whole” and the Holy Spirit is also sovereign.

I am afraid that a few beliefs you bring up may be in error. Is there any actual evidence of your Trinitarian beliefs in scripture? Or is it merely a construct of your own beliefs?

If it’s the former, then please show these verses, I am curious.

If it’s the latter (which I’m afraid it is) then I point you to Colossians 2:8. Just because you grew up with a tradition does not inherently make it true.

(And please, refrain from the ad hominem attacks, I myself and still searching for the Truth with regards to the Trinity, and don’t know everything about it)

Geeez, I wish you’d stop writing. Your comments are so weak. Seriously, you quoted Dr. White linking salvation of a person to becoming a more complete Christian (you forget to see that the word “Christian” is already assuming the person is saved!!!!!) I think your charges toward Dr. White are misguided. Dr. White is not referring to salvation by believing in the trinity, he is saying the Word of God becomes deeper when you do see it!! I can honestly and boldly proclaim I have experienced this!! I grew up Catholic and only understood the Trinity in concept but not in meaningful belief. Although I didn’t reject it (always leaving room the Holy Spirit to reveal truth from His Word to me), it was always a more conceptual understanding. However, after I decided to once and for all study it for myself, I began researching the history, the challenges, the opponents, what the Word said and so on. However, it wasn’t until I began applying it to the Word of God without reading into the scriptures, the whole concept opened up to me and the Bible has become RICHER AND MORE MEANINGFUL to me and my everyday life.

It truly has made me a more COMPLETE CHRISTIAN and can BOLDLY say that the Trinitarian concept in the Bible is very much alive and well in the Word of God.

I can also honestly say based on my experience, that you are darkened in your understanding of the one true GOD. Please stop writing and talking. Just from the simple fact that you misinterpreted Dr. White rationale on being a more complete CHRISTIAN and associating that to salvation, you no doubt misinterpret and can’t see the trinity in the Bible.

If I have lied about quotations and misquoted them, I certainly want to know. This is a serious charge. Please provide evidence. Thank you.